Wednesday, November 21, 2012

The Jewish and Malay Connection: Lost Tribes of Israel


I was amused and a little curious reading a blog which was forwarded by a friend.  Writing with a catchy title, “Who Are Malays and What Is Their Origin…We Are Feared By The Jews,” the blog states that the Malays are originated from the ten lost tribes of Israel.

The blogger, who does not reveal his name or identify and write in Malay language, says that, Malays mean hill people, from Mala or Malai, which means hill (or mountain).  And that they are descended from Abraham (Prophet Ibrahim) through Keturah. 

The origin for the word Malay has been a matter of contention.  A few theories have been put forward, but that it comes from the word Mala/Malai is news to me.  That the Malays are supposedly descended from Abraham through Keturah, however, is not new.  I have heard of it before.

The first time I heard about the idea that the Malays are descended from Abraham through Keturah was two decades ago, from one University professor who suggested the same.  This University professor said that these descendants of Abraham had fled their birthplace and lived for a time in a hill to the north of India.   The hill is known as Himalaya, the “highland of the Malays.”

Though curious, I did not pursue the matter.  Since I did not maintain the relationship with that University professor, the matter stopped there, until a few days ago; that is, when a piece of an article in the blog pejuangbangsa31 came to my attention. (1)

But pejuangbangsa31 is apparently not the reader of history.  There are too many “historical” errors in his writing.  For instance, he says Malays are descended from Keturah, the third wife of Abraham, but he also says that Malays are descended from one of the alleged ten lost tribes of Israel, through the line of Menasseh, the son of Joseph.

Now, if we learn Biblical history (or perhaps Biblical story), then we know that Abraham is the father of many nations.  He was the father of Ishmaelite Arabs through his oldest son, Ishmael, whose illustrious descendant was our very own Prophet, Muhammad bin Abdullah.  He was also the father of the Israelites, through his grandson, Jacob, also known as Israel.  He was also the father of many nations or tribes now extinct or assimilated with other nations.

One of these assimilated tribes is known as the people of Madyan.  We know about Madyan because it is mentioned in the Quran.  Allah sent Prophet Shuaib to them.  The Bible also mentions about this tribe, especially in the story of Moses (Prophet Musa), when he fled Egypt having accidentally killed one of the Egyptians in his effort to help one of his own people, the Israelites. 

In Madyan, Moses lived with an elderly called Jethro, tended his flocks and married one of his daughters, Zipporah.  The Muslim scholars identify this Jethro as the Prophet Shuaib, and his daughter, Zipporah, as the wife of Prophet Musa, Safura.

As for the name Madyan (or Midian), it was referred to one of the sons of Abraham, whose name was Madyan.  His mother was Keturah, the third wife of Abraham, whom Abraham married after Sarah died.

Now, if the Malays were truly descended from one of ten lost tribes of Israel, through the line of Menasseh, the son of Joseph (Nabi Yusuf), in what way can they be descended from Keturah?  The name Israelites, or Bani Israel in the Quranic lingo, is referred to the children of Israel.  Israel, whose given name is Jacob, is the son of Isaac (Nabi Ishak), the son of Abraham, through his first wife, Sarah.

Keturah is not the Matriarch for the Israelites.  Their Matriarch is Sarah, the first wife of Abraham.  Or perhaps more properly, their matriarchs are the four wives of Jacob.

Pejuangbangsa31 probably cannot be faulted for his error.  He is writing a socio-political blog, not a blog on history.  His entry on the origin of Malay appears to be a cut and paste from somewhere else. 

After doing a little search, I found a site which contains a lot of ideas mentioned by pejuangbangsa31.   The blog is known as mistisfiles.   This site delves in mysteries, conspiracy theories, extraterrestrial matters, paranormal activities or something like that.  Though I don’t normally indulge in such matters, I find the blog rather interesting and spent a few hours reading some of the entries.

Mistisfiles does not rush to the conclusion like pejuangbangsa31, but the site is full of conjectures, though I must admit that whoever is authoring the blog, he or she must have read history quite a bit.(2)

Reading the mistisfiles (or mystical files in English), I am quite amused to learn that this young girl, Keturah, whom Abraham married, was not from the Middle East, but actually from the Far East.  In his twilight years, Abraham had travelled from Canaan (current Israel and Palestine) to somewhere in ancient Cambodia and married this girl.  Through that marriage, they were given six sons.  One of them was Madyan. 

We have to bear in mind that Abraham married Keturah after the death of Sarah.  According to the Bible, Sarah lived up to 127 years, and Abraham was about ten years older than Sarah.  Abraham used to travel far and wide, but mostly around Middle Eastern region.  Whether he traveled to a far away and unknown land during his time, about 4,000 years ago, would be anyone’s guess.

Biblical story also narrates that when Abraham died, he was buried in Hebron (al Khalil in Arabic), which is currently in Israel.  We can assume that either he came back from the Far East, or his dead body was carried thousands of miles to be buried in his chosen place.  Islamic traditions also relate that he frequently visited his son Ishmael in Makkah.  The Bible meanwhile suggests that he spent his old age in Canaan. 

Mistisfiles, however, does not try to reconcile this mystery.

There is also amusing hypothesis about the people of Madyan.  According to mistisfiles, Madyan was actually the ancient Media. 

If you read conventional history, Media was a Persian Civilization that flourished around 700 or 800 BC, that is, about 2,700 or 2,800 years ago.  It was located somewhere in the Northwestern Iran. 

The location of Madyan that we know, that is, the place of refuge for Prophet Moses, as per Biblical story, and the country of Prophet Shuaib, as mentioned in the Quran, however, was located in the Northwestern Arabia, to the East of Sinai Peninsula, and Southwest of Jordan.  It was not in the Northwestern Iran, as Media was.

If we try to make sense of the Biblical story against the story of mistisfiles, we can see the followings.  The story of Moses took place sometime around 1,300 BC.  There was no Media Civilization at that time.  Suppose the people of Madyan were truly the ones creating the Civilization of Media, then these people must have migrated from Northwestern Arabia to Northwestern Iran, about a thousand miles to the north. 

This is not impossible, but highly improbable.  What makes it more improbable is that the Media people, being of Iranian stock, were considered to be Japhetic, while the people of Madyan, being the descendants of Abraham, were Semitic.  Japhetic and Semitic people are referred to the descendants of Noah (Prophet Nuh).  Japhetic from the line of Japheth, the third son of the Prophet Noah, while Semitic from the line of Shem, the second son.

Biblical story does tell us that Abraham and his descendants travelled quite a bit, but mostly in the Middle East and North Africa (Egypt).  Mistisfiles, however, seems to suggest that the descendants of Abraham through Keturah not only travelled a great deal, but they somehow travelled in a somewhat mysterious manner. 

First, they were born in the Far East, somewhere in the ancient Cambodia, because this was where Abraham met and married Keturah.  This took place about 4,000 years ago.  Then one of Keturah tribes, Madyan, must have travelled west and resided in Northwestern Arabia.  This region was thereafter known as the land of Madyan.   Moses came to them about 600 or 700 years after their forefather, Madyan, was born.  Next, they travelled northeast to the North of Iran. 

About 600 or so years after the chance meeting between Moses, the descendant of Israel (Prophet Jacob), and Shuaib, the descendant of Madyan, we heard about these “people of Madyan” forming a civilization, the ancient Persian civilization of Media.  Finally, they must have gone to South East Asia (their place of origin, assuming the ancient Cambodia was in South East Asia), and the Pacific Islands.  In these regions, they also formed one empire after another.  Their last great empire was the Empire of Malacca.

As a Malay, I would love to believe all that, but at the moment, I have more questions than answers.  It turns out that this theory on Malays owing their origin from Keturah and the lost tribe of Israel is gaining currency.  Pejuangbangsa31 and mistisfiles are not the only ones writing about it. 

It also turns out that some African people likewise believe that they were descended from Keturah.  The Bahai people, too, believe that their founder was the descendant of Keturah.  Every nation appears to have the desire to be descended from this great Patriarch, Abraham the Prophet. 

The Jews have hijacked their right to be descended from Abraham through his first wife, Sarah.  Their claim is too strong to be rejected since they have ancient scriptures to throw to our face.  The Arabs too have hijacked their right to be descended from Abraham through his second wife, Hagar.  Their claim too is too strong to be rejected since Prophet Muhammad, who is an Arab, says that he was descended from Abraham through Ishmael.

We are left, therefore, with Abraham’s more obscure wife, Keturah. 

If it can make us feel good, we can still claim to be the descendants of Abraham, but we have to choose only one: either we were descended through Keturah, or through Sarah.  We cannot owe our origin to the Lost Tribe of Israel through Menasseh and yet descend from Keturah.  That would show our total ignorance of ancient history.

I don’t know whether you find all these exciting, or confusing.  But you may wonder why the Jews fear us the Malays, as pejuangbangsa31 says?  It turns out that the current Jews in Israel were descended from the “bad apple” among the Israelites.  They were descended from, or the followers of, the bad Samiri who influenced the Israelites to worship the Golden Calf when Moses went to Mount Sinai to receive the Ten Commandment.

We are the good guys, because we came from Menasseh, the line of Prophet Joseph.  From this line, some other Malay bloggers theorize, will appear Imam Mahdi who will crush the Jews.

Unfortunately we don’t know when that is going to take place.  In the meantime, we can only satisfy ourselves watching the Israelis (as oppose to Israelites) crushing our brothers and sisters in Palestine.

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107 comments:

  1. Kambing, Lembu dan AyamNovember 21, 2012 at 9:21 PM

    Orang Melayu yg berpikiran kita ni berketurunan daripada nabi Ibrahim ni teruk.

    lebih teruk lagi orang Melayu yg perasan kita ni sama darah dgn yahudi, memang otak-otak penuh taik kumpulan Melayu yg percaya benda ni,
    kalau kita ni dikatakan akan melenyapkan bangsa yahudi masa depan nanti dah lama dah Israel bedil Palestin sekarang (Gaza & Tebing Barat).

    Tapi yg paling lawak konspirasi Melayu ialah yg mengatakan imam Mahdi daripada Malaysia, orang Melayu!
    Langsung tak masuk akal! Bakal pemimpin teragung daripada Malaysia? Kamonlah, kita melayu nih walaupun umat Islam bersopan santun tapi kita jugaklah orang paling lemah, tak penah sejarah kita conquer negara lain, ada hati nak jadi hero pleaselah.

    Tolong sound banyak kat pejuangbangsa31 & mistisfiles tuh, blog karut banggakan bangsa melayu (besok mati bukan melayu yg masukkan kita ke syurga tapi Islam).
    Pasal blog-blog taik macam diaorang tuh yg buat ada orang gila macam Jayanegara pegi buat rampage.

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    1. Hehehe, tq for the komen. Harap2 depa tak la sampai jadi macam Jayanegara. Dan saya rasa tak berkemampuan untuk menyekat mereka dari menyampaikan pendapat. Cumanya eloklah kalau bersandarkan kepada fakta-fakta yang lebih tepat, atau kalau berdepan dengan benda2 yang kurang biasa, buatlah kajian sikit.

      Saya sekadar menganggap niat mereka baik, tetapi mungkin terlebih kuah sikit bila memberi pandangan. Yang menariknya blog mereka sangat popular, kalau diukur melalui pageview. Itu menggambarkan kegemaran orang Melayu kepada benda-benda sensasi.

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    2. alangkah benar sekali jawapan tuan...blog-blog semacam itu tak lebih daripada kisah mitos yang takde fakta...samalah macam kisah bercakap dengan jin....

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    3. Yes my friend. We should learn from the Jews. They were the best of people, because they were the descendants of the great prophets no less. But due to their behavior, they were cursed by Allah Himself. The best in the sight of Allah are those who believe in Him and do good deeds, not because of their ancestry. Melayu pun anak Adam, dan dari keturunan Nabi Nuh jugak. Apa nak rasa rendah dirinya. Kalau bukan dari keturunan Nabi Ibrahim pun tak apa.

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    4. Assalamu'alaykum bro ,yes peace be upon all, betul sekali,Allah has provided us with Islam as how Allah provided all His creation in state of default,if we chose any other than disgrace will be upon us,the jews chose to deny prophets and deny word of The Ever Living,The Self Subsisting,so The Curse of Allah be upon them,YET if they give in and throw their arrogance away and obey Allah and His messenger things would be fine,we as muslims from Malaysia,dont think highly of ourselves,this what lead to the demise of the honour of the malay race,which i dont care ,return to Allah and His messenger,in the end you will be called, Son of so and so,or Son of Adam....

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    5. DIPENDEK KAN CERITA... SEMUA MANUSIA.. TAK KIRA LAH ARAB, YAHUDI, CINA, INDIA, MELAYU KE APE2 KE.. SEMUA ADALAH ANAK ADAM.. KETURUNAN YANG SAMA.... NABI ADAM DAN ISTERINYA HAWA ADA SATU JE... KITE SEMUA MANUSIA ADALAH DARI ASAL USUL YANG SAMA.. PASAL PE BANGANG SGT ORANG SUME NI TAK KIRA LAH DARI KALANGAN MELAYU, YAHUDI DAN SEMUA2 ORANG NI SAMPAI DAN BERDEBAT BAGAI.. SUSAH APE NAK PIKIR... MANUSIA DARI DULU SMPI SEKRANG ADLAH ANAK ADAM DAN HAWA DAN HAMBA KEPADA ALLAH S.W.T.

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    6. Kenapa tak cakap manusia ni semua dari tanah liat je?

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    7. 30. At Tabrani menukilkan di dalam Mu’jam Al Ausath daripada Ibnu Umar bahawa Nabi s.a.w. pernah memegang tangan Ali r.a. seraya berkata, “Akan keluar dari sulbi dia ini (dari keturunannya) seorang pemuda yang memenuhi bumi ini dengan keadilan dan kesaksamaan. Bila kamu lihat keadaan itu hendaklah kamu ikuti pemuda At Tamimi. Dia akan datang dari Timur dan dialah yang memegang bendera Al Mahdi.” (Ibid j.2 ms.62) 

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    8. 2000'an jews buat research...tetiba mereka asal dari khazar(balkan).
      2014. Ukraine(balkan) dah jadi 2nd Israel.

      2010? Olsen seorang jew buat DNA test dan tetiba melayu lost tribe bani jew.
      Siapla korang malaysia akan jadi 3rd jew state. Negara ketiga si yahoodi selepas Ukraine.
      Adaaa pulak mlayu jd agen yahudi promosikan cite mlayu ni lost tribe of israel yg beribukan Kheturah yg cite ni dipetik dari BIBLE!!!

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  2. Jangan merendah-rendahkan bangsa sendiri. Orang luar terutamanya yahudi dah buat banyak teori pasal bangsa kita. Search google " malay land of promise theory".

    Kenapa depa masukkan semenanjung ni dlm teori tersebut? Sebabnya dlm ramaln kitab yahudi ada memperkatakn bangsa hebat di akhir zaman datang dari promise land.

    Semenjung malaysia ada banyak rizab uranium spt di tumpat. Mungkin ia merupakn senjata yg menakutkan israel

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    1. Don't know whether I should respond to this, but the essence of what I wrote is that if at all we want to make any claim, then we should be careful not contradict ourselves. Else, it shows our ignorant and others may consider us a laughing stock.

      I have also written the piece on the alleged Malay Hypothesis (http://smderis.blogspot.com/2012/11/ralph-olsen-on-mormon-events-malay.html). You may want to have a look and judge the theory for yourself.

      Biblical promised land is always Canaan (modern Israel/Palestine), promised first to Nabi Ibrahim, then to the Israelites enslaved in Egypt during Nabi Musa. The promise was realized through King David (Nabi Daud). They lost part of the land later to the Assyrians, then to Babylonians, then to the Greek Macedonian, then to the Romans. When the Romans razed Jerusalem in 70 AD and chased out the Jews in 135 AD, they became people without land. Longing for their homeland, they started the Aaliyah movement, then Zionist movement.

      We would love Imam Mahadi to be from Malay, but that that is unlikely, because he must come from our Prophet's lineage, through Syaidina Hassan.

      The piece is not written untuk merendah-rendahkan bangsa sendiri, because that would mean I belittle my own father and mother. As the sons of Adam, we are all great. The Malays too have great civilizations in the past, but we should not be too excited over something we know not right.

      Unless someone proves me wrong, then I stand with what I wrote.

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    2. Bingung, perkataan Malay asal dari perkataan tamil Malai.. Ertinya bukit/gunung.. Orang2 Melayu dulu tinggal kat bukit dan banjaran tanah melayu.. merujuk kepada penduduk tampatan tanah melayu, maka bangsa Malay pun wujud.. Pegi search perkataan ni (மலை malai mountain)

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    3. Jangan lupa pengaruh hindu buddha kat tanah melayu dulu.. betapa kuatnya pengaruh tersebut sehingga lahirnya gelaran raja dan sultan untuk ketua puak/kaum.. sehingga sekarang banyak adat istiadat melayu dipengaruhi adat istiadat hindu.. secara ringkas, Melayu adalah kesinanmbungan kaum animisme yang datang ke tanah melayu menjadi lebih betamadun dengan menganuti agama Hindu Buddha dan seterusnya Islam..

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    4. you are right bro sm deris....

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    5. I am of Khmer Mon and am curious about your comments about Abraham and Keturah in Cambodia. Can you point me to some information? I cannot read Malay but also say that the Book of Mormon does not only talk of Manasseh. There was a group called Jared/Jerah from Noah's line through Joktan. Mormon teachings suggest the Jerah's brother Ophir was also named Morian Cumr and was the founder of the Khmer. Mormons in America do not believe, but Mormons in Myanma believe this.

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    6. I am afraid I won't be able to help you my friend.

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    7. 2000'an jews buat research...tetiba mereka asal dari khazar(balkan).
      2014. Ukraine(balkan) dah jadi 2nd Israel.

      2010? Olsen seorang jew buat DNA test dan tetiba melayu lost tribe bani jew.
      Siapla korang malaysia akan jadi 3rd jew state. Negara ketiga si yahoodi selepas Ukraine.
      Adaaa pulak mlayu jd agen yahudi promosikan cite mlayu ni lost tribe of israel yg beribukan Kheturah yg cite ni dipetik dari BIBLE!!!

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  3. tak salah kita berteori dan mencari fakta untuk mengesahkan teori kita ..cuma jangan terlalu emosi ...biarlah bersederhana, Melayu pun sederhana Islam pun sederhana. bangsa yang kuat akan mengalahkan bangsa yang lemah ...that's the fact, dulu kini dan selamanya cth: Singapura - berapa ramai yg mengatakan Singapura adalah asalnya Melayu atau sebaliknya. Islam dan Melayu di Malaysia adalah seiring ... lemah Melayu lemahlah Islam dan sebaliknya. tak salah membanggakan bangsa Melayu yang Islam kerana itu adalah hak kita sebagai Melayu dan Islam

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    1. Bersederhana, that's the word.

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    2. i couldnt agree more with u bro.there are bits of other races in all the races in this world.no big deal

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  4. Copy Paste and just read with open heart. If you don't like, don't read:

    October 2, 07 at 8:37 pm


    It’s been interesting to read such free-flowing comments on an all “Malaysian” free for all. While we are on the subject, how many of you have read the book entitled “Contesting Malayness – Malay Identity Across Boundaries” Edited by Timothy P. Barnard published by Singapore University Press. Written by a Professor of National University of Singapore. Cost S$32 (about). It reflects the Anthropologists views that there is no such race as the “Malays” to begin with. If we follow the original migration of the Southern Chinese of 6,000yrs ago, they moved into Taiwan, (now the Alisan), then into the Phillipines (now the Aeta) and moved into Borneo (4,500yrs ago) (Dayak). They also split into Sulawesi and progressed into Jawa, and Sumatera. The final migration was to the Malayan Peninsular 3,000yrs ago. A sub-group from Borneo also moved to Champa in Vietnam at 4,500yrs ago.



    Interestingly, the Champa deviant group moved back to present day Kelantan. There are also traces of the Dong Song and HoaBinh migration from Vietnam and Cambodia. To confuse the issue, there was also the Southern Thai migration, from what we know as Pattani today. (see also “Early Kingdoms of the Indonesian Archipelago and the Malay Peninsular”)



    Of course, we also have the Minangkabau’s which come from the descendants of Alexander the Great and a West Indian Princess. (Sejarah Melayu page 1-3)



    So the million Dollar Question… Is there really a race called the “Malays”? All anthropologists DO NOT SEEM TO THINK SO.



    Neither do the “Malays” who live on the West Coast of Johor. They’d rather be called Javanese. What about the west coast Kedah inhabitants who prefer to be known as “Achenese”? or the Ibans who simply want to be known as IBANS. Try calling a Kelabit a “Malay” and see what response you get… you’ll be so glad that their Head-Hunting days are over.



    In an article in the Star, dated: Dec 3rd 2006

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    1. To the above writer, I do not know what is it you are trying to proof. You say that ALL anthropologists do not seem to think that there is a Malay race. Maybe you are trying to convince some idiots in the streets but they are countless research and documentations by many many historians and anthropologist all over the world regarding the Malays . If Malays do not exists than who are we Malays in Malaysia .

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    2. BANGSA CAMPUR ADUK LA BODOH

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    3. Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish.

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    4. Americans are Americans.
      Malays are Malays.
      And Singaporean, duduk diam2 la kat pulau korang. Jangan harap nak join negara Melayu ye..

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  5. An excerp is reproduced here below:



    The Malays – taken as an aggregation of people of different ethnic backgrounds but who speak the same language or family of languages and share common cultural and traditional ties – are essentially a new race, compared to the Chinese, Indians and the Arabs with their long histories of quests and conquests.



    The Malay nation, therefore, covers people of various ethnic stock, including Javanese, Bugis, Bawean, Achehnese, Thai, orang asli, the indigenous people of Sabah and Sarawak and descendants of Indian Muslims who had married local women.



    Beneath these variations, however, there is a common steely core that is bent on changing the Malay persona from its perceived lethargic character to one that is brave, bold and ready to take on the world. ”



    The definition of “Malay” is therefore simply a collection of people’s who speak a similar type language. With what is meant by a similar type language does not mean that the words are similar. Linguists call this the “Lego-type” language, where words are added on to the root word to make meaning and give tenses and such. Somehow, the Indonesians disagree with this classification and insist on being called “Indonesians” even though the majority of “Malays” have their roots in parts of Indonesia? They refuse to be called “Malay”…. Anyhow you may define it.



    The writer failed to identify (probably didn’t know), that the “Malay” definition also includes, the Champa, Dong Song, HoabinHian, The Taiwanese Alisan and the Philippino Aetas. He also did not identify that the “Orang Asli” are (for lack of a better term) ex-Africans. If you try to call any one of our East Malaysian brothers an “Orang Asli”, they WILL BEAT YOU UP! I had to repeat this because almost all West Malaysians make the same mistake when we cross the South China Sea. Worse, somehow, they feel even more insulted when you call them “Malay”. Somehow, “kurang ajar” is uttered below their breath as if “Malay” was a really bad word for them. I’m still trying to figure this one out.



    Watch “Malays in Africa”; a Museum Negara produced DVD. Also, the “Champa Malays” by the same.



    With this classification, they MUST also include the Phillipinos, the Papua New Guineans, the Australian Aboroginies, as well as the Polynesian Aboroginies. These are of the Australo Melanesians who migrated out of Africa 60,000yrs ago.



    Getting interesting? Read on…



    “Malay” should also include the Taiwanese singer “Ah Mei” who is Alisan as her tribe are the anscestors of the “Malays”. And finally, you will need to define the Southern Chinese (Southern Province) as Malay also, since they are from the same stock 6,000yrs ago.



    Try calling the Bugis a “Malay”. Interestingly, the Bugis, who predominantly live on Sulawesi are not even Indonesians. Neither do they fall into the same group as the migrating Southern Chinese of 6,000yrs ago nor the Australo Melanesian group from Africa.



    Ready for this?

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  6. The Bugis are the cross-breed between the Mongolian Chinese and the wandering Arab Pirates. (FYI, a runaway Ming Dynasty official whom Cheng Ho was sent to hunt down) Interestingly, the Bugis were career Pirates in the Johor-Riau Island areas. Now the nephew of Daeng Kemboja was appointed the First Sultan of Selangor. That makes the entire Selangor Sultanate part Arab, part Chinese! Try talking to the Bugis Museum curator near Kukup in Johor. Kukup is located near the most south-western tip of Johor. (Due south of Pontian Kechil)



    Let’s not even get into the Hang Tuah, Hang Jebat, Hang Kasturi, Hang Lekiu, and Hang Lekir, who shared the same family last name as the other super famous “Hang” family member… Hang Li Poh. And who was she? Legend tells us that she is the princess of a Ming Dynasty Emperor who was sent to marry the Sultan of Malacca. Won’t that make the entire Malacca Sultanate downline “Baba” ? Since the older son of the collapsed Malaccan Sultanate got killed in Johor, (the current Sultanate is the downline of the then, Bendahara) the only other son became the Sultan of Perak. Do we see any Chinese-ness in Raja Azlan? Is he the descendant of Hang Li Poh? But wait a minute….



    That’s what legend says. Let’s look at the proof. The solid evidence. There is a well next to the Zheng He Temple in Malacca which is supposed to be the well built by the Sultan of Malacca for her. According to legend, anyone who drinks of it shall re-visit Malacca before they die. Hmmm smells like a romantic fairy tale already. But let’s look at who Hang Li Poh actually is. Which Ming Emperor was she a daughter to? So I got into researching the entire list of Ming Emperors. Guess what? Not a single Ming Emperor’s last name begins with Hang. In fact, all their last names begin with Tzu (pronounced Choo). So who is Hang Li Poh? An Extra Concubine? A Spare Handmaiden? Who knows? But one thing for certain, is that she was no daughter of any of the Ming Emperors. Gone is the romantic notion of the Sultan of Malacca marrying an exotic Chinese Princess. Sorry guys, the Sultan married an unidentified Chinese commoner.

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    1. I fear you have not researched enough and is not professional with a biased inclination. HANG is not a surname but it was a Malaccan royal title bestowed to commoners and outsiders . Where Li Po is concerned , it was common practice in the old days of China for emperors to give away a princess from amongst the palace maidens whether daughters of wives or concubines when situations require friendship with another nation.

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  7. Next question. If the Baba’s are part Malay, why have they been marginalized by NOT BEING BUMIPUTERA? Which part of “Malay” are they not? Whatever the answer, why then are the Portugese of Malacca BUMIPUTERA? Did they not come 100yrs AFTER the arrival of the first Baba’s? Parameswara founded Malacca in 1411. The Portugese came in 1511, and the Dutch in the 1600’s. Strangely, the Baba’s were in fact once classified a Bumiputera, but some Prime Minister decreed that they were to be strangely “declassified” in the 1960’s. WHY? How can a “native son of the soil” degenerate into an “un-son”? The new classification is “pendatang” meaning a migrant. Wait a minute, isn’t EVERYONE on the Peninsular a migrant to begin with?



    The Sultan of Kelantan had similar roots to the Pattani Kingdom making him of Thai origin. And what is this “coffee table book” by the Sultan of Perlis claiming to be the direct descendant of the prophet Muhammed? Somehow we see Prof Khoo Khay Khim’s signature name on the book. I’ll pay good money to own a copy of it myself. Anyone has a spare?



    Inpersuing this thread, and having looked at the history of Prophet Muhammed (BTW, real name Ahmad) we couldn’t figure out which descendant line The Sultan of Perlis was. Perhaps it was by the name Syed, which transcended. Then we would ask which of the 13 official wives named in the Holy Koran? or was he a descendant from the other 23 names of the non-wives? Of the 13 were (at least known) 3 Israeli women. Then you would also ask yourself, isn’t Prophet Muhammad an Israeli himself? The answer is clear. All descendants of Moses are Israeli. In fact, the Holy Koran teaches that Moses was the First Muslim. Thus confirming all descendants to be Israeli, including Jesus and Prophet Muhammad. It is also found in Sura 2:58&59 which specifically mentions that the Torah and the Kitab (Bible) are Holy Words of Allah. But since this is not a religious discussion, let’s move on to a more anthropological approach.



    So, how many of you have met with orang Asli’s? the more northern you go, the more African they look. Why are they called Negrito’s? It is a Spanish word, from which directly transalates “mini Negros”. The more southern you go, the more “Indonesian” they look. And the ones who live at Cameron Highlands kinda look 50-50. You can see the Batek at Taman Negara, who really look like Eddie Murphy to a certain degree. Or the Negritos who live at the Thai border near Temenggor Lake (north Perak). The Mah Meri in Carrie Island look almost like the Jakuns in Endau Rompin. Half African, half Indonesian.



    By definition, (this is super eye-opening) there was a Hindu Malay Empire in Kedah. Yes, I said right… The Malays were Hindu. It was, by the old name Langkasuka. Today known as Lembah Bujang. This Hindu Malay Empire was 2,000yrs old. Pre-dating Borrobudor AND Angkor Watt. Who came about around 500-600yrs later. Lembah Bujang was THE mighty trading empire, and its biggest influence was by the Indians who were here to help start it. By definition, this should make the Indians BUMIPUTERAS too since they were here 2,000yrs ago! Why are they marginalized?



    Of the 3 books listed, “Contesting Malayness” (about S$32 for soft cover) is “banned” in Malaysia; you will need to “smuggle” it into Malaysia; for very obvious reasons…. or read it in Singapore if you don’t feel like breaking the law.

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    1. I think that you are a stupid historian. You don't even know the history.

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    2. dont get too emotional.all races in this world come from Allah mind you.there may be a bit of everything(races) in our family trees.

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    3. This writer is a pseudo historian who is ultra irrational and emotional in trying to discredit the Malays in any way he or she can.

      1) The Baba's of Malacca were from mixed Chinese and non- muslim Indonesian tribes . The Chinese Babas did not marry the local Malays or else they would have to convert to Islam because Islam was strict then and now. They are therefore not Bumiputra. Anyway not all of the Chinese men married Indonesian women.

      2) As for the Malaccan Portuguese to be given Bumiputra status, it was a mistake to have done that. Kindness on the part of the government officials who gave the Portuguese the Bumiputra status did not know history well. He has forgotten that the Portuguese came and drove away the Malays in 1511 AD.So it is so ridiculous to even consider Bumiputra status for the Portuguese.

      3) As for the Sultan of Kelantan having Pattani roots , I do not see why the above author is surprised because Kelantan and Pattani as well as Southern Thailand is actually one entity that was divided recently by the existing Thai rulers. If you are a true historian you would also know that the present Thailand is relatively new and before that it was Siam and the people were not Thais.

      4) Before the coming of Islam , the Malays were Hindus as well as Buddhists. Now the Malays are mostly Muslims. Please do not be confused between Hindus and Indians . Hinduism is a religious belief while Indians are the people of India. I see no relationship between ancient Malays who were Hindus and the present Indians in Malaysia who came recently from India. The above writer must be very new in the study of history and appears very childish and hollow.

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    4. Well said anon june 21, 2013...they tried very hard to saparate us...the more you contest our malayness..the more malay we would be..please dont gi ve stupid comment here..

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    5. Historian di Malaysua ni ramai kalangan non Malay? Hancur la Melayu, hidup la kaum yg seharahnya berkurun bermembang di bumi ini!!!

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  8. The other, “Kingdoms of the Indonesian Archipelago, and the Malay Peninsular” (about RM84) are openly sold at all leading bookshops; Kinokuniya, MPH, Borders, Popular, Times, etc. You should be able to find a fair bit of what I’ve been quoting in this book too, but mind you, it is very heavy reading material, and you will struggle through the initial 200+ pages. It is extremely technical in nature. Maybe that’s why it wasn’t banned (yet)…coz our authorities couldn’t make head or tail of it? (FYI, if I wasn’t doing research for my film, I wouldn’t have read it in its entirety)



    While the “Sejarah Melayu” (about RM 35) is available at the University Malaya bookshop. I have both the English and Royal Malay version published by MBRAS.



    Incidentally, the Professor (Author) was invited to speak on this very subject about 2 yrs ago, in KL, invited by the MBRAS. You can imagine the “chaos” this seminar created……



    There were actually many sources for these findings. Any older Philippino Museum Journal also carries these migration stories. This migration is also on display at the Philippines National Museum in Luzon. However, they end with the Aeta, and only briefly mention that the migration continued to Indonesia and Malaysia, but fully acknowledge that all Philippinos came from Taiwan. And before Taiwan, China. There is another book (part of a series) called the “Archipelago Series” endorsed by Tun Mahatir and Marina Mohammad, which states the very same thing right at the introduction on page one. “… that the Malays migrated out of Southern China some 6,000yrs ago…”. I believe it is called the “Pre-History of Malaysia” Hard Cover, about RM99 found in (mostly) MPH. They also carry “Pre-History of Indonesia” by the same authors for the same price.



    It is most interesting to note that our Museum officials invented brand new unheard-of terms such as “Proto-Malay” and “Deutero-Malay”, to replace the accepted Scientific Term, Australo-Melanesians (African descent) and Austronesians (Chinese Descent, or Mongoloid to be precise) in keeping in line with creating this new “Malay” term.. They also created the new term called the Melayu-Polynesian. (Which Melayu exists in the Polynesian Islands?) Maybe they were just trying to be “Patriotic” and “Nationalistic”… who knows…? After all, we also invented the term, “Malaysian Time”. While the rest of the world calls it “Tardy” and “Late”. It’s quite an embarrassment actually…. Singaporeans crossing the border are asked to set their watches back by about 100yrs, to adjust to “Malaysian Time”…

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  9. In a nutshell, the British Colonial Masters, who, for lack of a better description, needed a “blanket” category for ease of classification, used the term “Malay”.



    The only other logical explanation, which I have heard, was that “Malaya” came as a derivative of “Himalaya”, where at Langkasuka, or Lembah Bujang today was where the Indians were describing the locals as “Malai” which means “Hill People” in Tamil. This made perfect sense as the focal point at that time was at Gunung Jerai, and the entire Peninsular had a “Mountain Range” “Banjaran Titiwangsa”, as we call it.



    The Mandarin and Cantonese accurately maintain the accurate pronunciation of “Malai Ren” and “Malai Yun” respectively till this very day. Where “ren” and “yun” both mean “peoples”.



    Interestingly, “Kadar” and “Kidara”, Hindi and Sanskrit words accurately describe “Kedah” of today. They both mean “fertile Land for Rice cultivation. Again, a name given by the Indians 2,000yrs ago during the “Golden Hindu Era” for a duration of 1,500yrs.



    It was during the “Golden Hindu Era” that the new term which the Hindu Malay leaders also adopted the titles, “Sultan” and “Raja”. The Malay Royalty were Hindu at that time, as all of Southeast Asia was under strong Indian influence, including Borrobudor, and Angkor Watt. Bali today still practices devout Hindu Beliefs. The snake amulet worn by the Sultans of today, The Royal Dias, and even the “Pelamin” for weddings are tell-tale signs of these strong Indian influences. So, it was NOT Parameswara who was the first Sultan in Malaya. Sultanage existed approximately 1,500years before he set foot on the Peninsular during the “Golden Hindu Era” of Malaysia. And they were all Hindu.



    “PreHistory of Malaysia” also talks about the “Lost Kingdom” of the “Chi-Tu” where the local Malay Kingdom were Buddhists. The rest of the “Malays” were Animistic Pagans.



    But you may say, “Sejarah Melayu” calls it “Melayu”? Yes, it does. Read it again; is it trying to describe the 200-odd population hamlet near Palembang by the name “Melayu”?(Google Earth will show this village).



    By that same definition, then, the Achehnese should be considered a “race”. So should the Bugis and the Bataks, to be fair. Orang Acheh, Orang Bugis, Orang Laut, Orang Melayu now mean the same… descriptions of ethnic tribes, at best. And since the “Malays” of today are not all descendants of the “Melayu” kampung in Jambi (if I remember correctly), the term Melayu has been wrongly termed. From day one. Maybe this is why the Johoreans still call themselves either Bugis, or Javanese until today. So do the Achehnese on the West coast of Kedah & Perlis and the Kelantanese insist that they came from Champa, Vietnam.



    Morover, the fact that the first 3 pages claiming that “Melayu” comes from Alexander the Great and the West Indian Princess doesn’t help. More importantly, it was written in 1623. By then, the Indians had been calling the locals “Malai” for 1,500 yrs already. So the name stuck….

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  10. And with the Sejarah Melayu (The Malay Annals in page 1-3) naming the grandson of Iskandar Zulkarnain, and the West Indian Princess forming the Minangkabau. Whenever a Malay is asked about it, he usually says it is “Karut” (bullshit), but all Malayan based historians insist on using Sejarah Melayu as THE main reference book for which “Malay” history is based upon. The only other books are “Misa Melayu”, “Hikayat Merong Mahawangsa”, and “Hikayat Hang Tuah” which is of another long and sometimes “heated” discussion.



    I find this strange.



    I also find, that it is strange that the “Chitti’s” (Indian+Malay) of Malacca are categorized as Bumiputera, while their Baba brothers are not. Why? Both existed during the Parameswara days. Which part of the “Malay” side of the Baba’s is not good enough for Bumiputera classification? Re-instate them. They used to be Bumiputera pre 1960’s anyway.



    Instead of “Malay”, I believe that “Maphilindo” (circa 1963) would have been the closest in accurately trying to describe the Malays. However, going by that definition, it should most accurately be “MaphilindoThaiChinDiaVietWanGreekCamfrica”. And it is because of this; even our University Malaya Anthropology professors cannot look at you in the eye and truthfully say that the word “Malay” technically and accurately defines a race.



    This is most unfortunate.



    So, in a nutshell, the “Malays” (anthropologists will disagree with this “race” definition) are TRULY ASIA !!! For once the Tourism Ministry got it right….



    We should stop calling this country “Tanah Melayu” instead call it, “Tanah Truly Asia”



    You must understand now, why I was “tickled pink” when I found out that the Visit Malaysia slogan for 2007 was “Truly Asia”. They are so correct… (even though they missed out Greece and Africa)



    BTW, the name UMNO should be changed to UTANO the new official acronym for “United Truly Asia National Organization” . After all, they started out as a Bugis club in Johor anyway….



    I told you all that I hate race classifications…. This is so depressing. Even more depressing is that the “malays” are not even a race; not since day one.



    “Truly Asia Boleh”

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    1. Never thought that someone would make such a long comment in this blog. What a pleasant surprise.

      I am already familiar with the majority of the "theories" in the comment regarding the Malays, including the why so and so are not regarded as "Bumiputra." But Malay history is not my forte. I just have familiarity with the subject, not expertise in it, so I would rather not respond. My article above may be regarded as an expression of my amusement with the claim that Malays are descended from the Biblical people. I am more comfortable and at ease with Biblical history as compared to the history of Malays, which lead me to question the inherent contradiction with regard to Malays being descended from Keturah, and at the same time from the Lost Tribe of Israel, which cannot be the case.

      Since I am familiar and comfortable with Biblical history, and especially the Seerah, I can say for certain that the more familiar name of the Prophet is Muhammad, not Ahmad. The name Ahmad is mentioned only because it is mentioned in relation to the Gospel of Jesus. One whole surah is also named after Muhammad, and we express our Shahadah with Muhammad, not Ahmad. One or two mention in the Quran should not nullify the fact that Muhammad was the name given when he was born, the name he was called throughout his life, and the name that we invoke in our selawat and shahadah.

      That he has other 23 non wives also news to me. The 13 spouses, or 12 according to some, already include those he did not seek out to marry, such as Mariya the Coptic, who was given to him as a gift.

      And Seerah wise, Muhammad cannot be called an Israelite. He never identifies himself as such. The Israelites are descended from Prophet Jacob, the grandson of Prophet Abraham, through the line of Prophet Isaac, whose nickname is Israel. They are not descended from Moses, for Moses is a Levite, a sub-branch of Israelite, having descended from Levi, one of the 12 sons of Israel (Nabi Yaakob). The Prophet specifically mentions that he is an Ishmaelite Arab, having descended from Prophet Ishmael, the oldest son of Prophet Abraham.

      Other than that, I have nothing else to say, except thank you for the long comment.

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    2. AnonymousJanuary 5, 2013 at 12:35 AM,

      If we cant call the malay people as Malay, then, what should we call them? And this malay language...where did the language come from? the words of "mem" "meng" "men" "kan" ...and etc...and this word come from? Every races in the world has its own language, include malay

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  11. Bani tu maknanye anak..Bani Israel(israelites not the imposter one now in Israel)makna nya anak Israel..

    Israel itu ialah Nabi Yaakob..dari Nabi Ishaq..

    Yang pastinya Melayu itu Bani Adam..haha..

    Sangat lucu dikatakan imam mahdi dari nusantara..sedangkan hadis sudah mengatakan dari tanah khorasan,bangsa yang ditindas,memakai baju ciri2 orang bani israel yang ori,etc..full stop..

    Jadi Melayu2 yang masih berkhayal tu, cukup la ye, bangun dari tido mu skarang..Bangsa asing jajah kite pun masih berdiam dan berkhayal..lagi nk step hero save the world pulak..save diri sendiri dulu baru boleh save the world..

    Saya ni orang melayu, tapi saya bersyukur dan bangga menjadi orang islam..melayu hanyalah bangsa.

    Sape2 yang mengucapkan Allah itu satu dan Nabi Muhammad pesuruhnye adalah saudara ku..Mudah mudahan Allah pimpin kita semua ke jalannya,amin..

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  12. ha ha..panji2 hitam dari timur, timur tu apa.khorasan k yg paling timur penganut islam kt dunia ni.kalau khorasan jer pergi org melayu ni masih tertinggal. khorasan adalah tulang belakangnya nadinya dari timur. jgn lupa ada 2 bangsa melayu yg tertindas petani dan moro.afghanistan dkategorikan dbawah pemimpin diktator sama seperti negara arab yg lain nyer.dah 2 kali barat menjarah bangsa ini.dan jangan lupa 60 sahabat nabi diutuskan k negeri yg dnamakan samudera.negeri ini dsahkan melahir ramai wali allah oleh baginda rasulullah SAW.Alter bangsa melayu diperakui oleh yahudi sebagai yg paling merbahaya dkalangan umat islam.didalam taurat-talmud kitab yahudi ada menceritakan ..nabi Ibrahim as memerintahkan anak2 dari isterinya siti kutrah pergi ktimur.akan lahir raja akhir zaman dari kwsn ini.percubaan demi percubaan telah dlakukan terhadap bangsa ini tetapi dlindungi oleh Allah,tapi melayu tk ambil tahu.asyik berpolitik kduniawi shj.

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  13. Mengapa kita tidak membandingkan genetik Melayu dengan genetik bani Israel untuk menentukan sama ada orang Melayu dan bani Israel mempunyai pertalian darah? Rupa paras keluarga saya agak berbeza dengan rupa paras Melayu lain sehingga pelancung-pelancung Israel bertanya kepada adik saya sama ada beliau adalah seorang Yahudi semasa adik saya melancung di Thailand. I would like to suggest that scientists should compare the genes of Malays with the Jews' so that we could conclude whether Malays are the descendants of Abraham etc. I would like to be a volunteer if there is a research to test the hypothesis !

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    1. Interesting proposition. Personally I am not sure what purpose it serves, because either way, it does not really matter.

      I am not competent to talk about genetic, and am not into it. I read somewhere that says genetically, Malays and Jews are 18% related. Don't know what it really means, if at all what I read is based on true research. Chances are it means nothing. Pure blood is indeed rare, and Malays are quite a melting pot.

      Your example about how you look, and the remark whether your brother (sister?) is a Jew could be a coincidence, or perhaps you have some Jewish blood in you. After all, some Malays look like Arab, some like Indian, some like Chinese, some like Caucasian, some even look like black African, but most look like South East Asian. Theory has to be proven based on general case, not particular case.

      Then again, I have nothing against your proposal.

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    2. Dear SM Deris,

      Thank you very much for being kind enough to respond to my comment kindly. I truly and highly appreciate and value your writing . In fact, I enjoy them very much. May Allah bless, guide, protect and reward your family and you.

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    3. My dear friend,

      There is no other way to respond to your comment except kindly. You raised valid observation, and put it in the manner most congenial to the heart. Even to nasty comment, I try to respond kindly, or keep quiet. But if some people talk disparagingly about Islam or our Prophet, then I am obliged to response with equal measure.

      Glad that you find my writing of some value to you. And thank you very much for the doa. May Allah bless and guide us all.

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    4. your blog interests me.it is really an eye-opener and mind provoking.one should be open-minded and not too extreme and emotional in giving views.as for me no one race is superior to others.may Allah bless u and keep up with the good work and facts coming in.

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    5. Thanks for that kind remark my friend. Appreciate it very much.

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  14. Anonymous February 1, ada benarnya pendapat anda...
    Tuan SM Deris, saya rasa anda telah tersalah faham..apa yang di maksudkan, sebenarnya golongan menasseh dan keturunan keturah adalah 2 individu yang berbeza..kemungkinan anda telah keliru dengan berbagai artikel yang anda baca...
    Keturunan keturah adalah keturunan langsung dari Nabi Ibrahim, yang di katakan mendiami di kawasan timur jauh..manakala keturunan menasseh adalah keturunan lost tribes yang datang kemudiannya ke timur jauh dan seterusnya telah berasimilasi dengan penduduk tempatan. Di sini, jarak waktu antara keduanya adalah berbeza..kerana keturunan keturah bukanlah menasseh.
    Begitu juga keturunan Ahlul bait yang pada gelombang ke tiga di timur jauh akibat politik setelah tamat pemerintahan 4 sahabat agung nabi..asimilasi ketiga tiga keturunan inilah yang di harapkan untuk membela agama Islam di akhir zaman. Mereka inilah yang di katakan sebagai pemuda bani tamim yang akan membantu Imam Mahadi...dan bukannya Imam Mahadi itu sendiri dari 3 keturunan tersebut diatas (ini bukan pendapat saya, saya cuma cuba untuk mengolahkan apa maksud sebenar yang ingin di ceritakan).
    Saya harap pengomen pengomen di sini jangan merendah rendahkan sesiapa kerana kita tidak seharusnya malu untuk bergelar melayu, kita mesti punya jatidiri, bangga dan semangat melayu Islam..kerana Melayu dan Islam tidak boleh dipisahkan..Tak payah nak contest Malayness,..kenapa tak contest Chineseness atau Indianess kerana bangsa cina dan india juga banyak suku..berdirinya Melayu adalah kerana Islam, kerana Islam jugalah suku-suku Austronesia ini bersatu di bawah satu payung naungan raja-raja Melayu..
    Yang ini pendapat saya, adakah tuan SM Deris ada membuat kajian tentang keturunan ahlul bait dan sahabat nabi di tanah Melayu dan Nusantara?..Pendapat saya dari 10 orang 5 orang adalah dari keturunan ini..sila tuan buat kajian...bukalah lembaran sejarah pasti tuan akan jumpa, mungkin tuan jyga dari keturnan ini tanpa tuan ketahui..kerana Allah yang lebih mengetahui, Dia adalah sebaik baik pengatur..semuanya adalah urusan Nya.

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    1. Sebenarnya, kerana saya telah lama mengkaji Biblical historylah yang menyebabkan saya menimbulkan persoalan-persoalan dalam artikel yang asal. Dan saya tidak terkeliru pasal Keturah dan Menasseh. Both are from Abraham, but from different line. Menasseh is the great grandaugher of Sarah, he being the son of Prophet Joseph. Keturah is Prophet Abraham third wife, whom he married after Sarah died.

      Bagaimanapun, teori berkenaan keturunan Melayu berasal dari Keturah atau Menasseh adalah perkara baru bagi saya, dan saya mengaku tidak pernah mengkajinya secara mendalam.

      That say, we have to understand history within context, and not to extrapolate too much. If I am not mistaken, Bible did say Keturah is from East, but we have to understand East to what. It is East to Canaan, where Abraham lived in his old days. Canaan is currently Palestine and Israel. East to that would be Jordan, Iraq, or at most perhaps Iran. To presume that it is somewhere in Cambodia sounds a little far fetched, for a simple reason that Abraham was not known to come to this side of the world, assuming Bible is correct. He did travel a lot during his younger days, but all within Middle East. He hailed from Iraq, travelled to regions now known as Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and Arabian Peninsula (Makkah). For him to go to South East Asia was unlikely, if Bible narration is to be believed. For Keturah to go to Canaan from Cambodia is equally unlikely.

      Thus, if at all Malays did descend from Keturah, then it came much later.

      Anyway, questioning some hard to believe theory cannot be equated to merendah-rendahkan bangsa sendiri. I agree with you that we should be proud of our own race, or at least not to feel embarrassed being Malays. I also don't pay attention to those questioning Malayness. At the end of the day, our worth should be judged with Allah's measure, not what people say about us, or even what we say about ourselves.

      Those questioning our Malayness are probably reacting to the Malays talking too much about Malay privilege. I guess it is a natural thing to do for some of them. I guess our answer to them should be quite simple: ambil balik bantuan Kerajaan kepada sekolah bersifat vernacular. Why on earth are we doing that, when no government in the world is doing it. I'm quite embarrassed about this, if you ask me, because it shows that we are soft.

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    2. DIPENDEK KAN CERITA... SEMUA MANUSIA.. TAK KIRA LAH ARAB, YAHUDI, CINA, INDIA, MELAYU KE APE2 KE.. SEMUA ADALAH ANAK ADAM.. KETURUNAN YANG SAMA.... NABI ADAM DAN ISTERINYA HAWA ADA SATU JE... KITE SEMUA MANUSIA ADALAH DARI ASAL USUL YANG SAMA.. PASAL PE BANGANG SGT ORANG SUME NI TAK KIRA LAH DARI KALANGAN MELAYU, YAHUDI DAN SEMUA2 ORANG NI SAMPAI DAN BERDEBAT BAGAI.. SUSAH APE NAK PIKIR... MANUSIA DARI DULU SMPI SEKRANG ADLAH ANAK ADAM DAN HAWA DAN HAMBA KEPADA ALLAH S.W.T.

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    3. Ko pun tongong gak, lebih baik cakap manusia ni dari tanah liat je..

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  15. Salam bang,
    Kadang2 melayu bila asyik bercakap pasal promised land ni, dh bunyinya mcm orang yahudi pulak...

    Cuma saya benar2 yakin kita ni keturunan anak2 Nabi Nuh as yang turun dari bahtera tu, tapi part ni tak ada la pulak yg nk sibuk2 banggakan yek? All three sons tu kan manusia yg beriman kepada Allah, terselamat dari bencana banjir besar yg melanda...

    Kalau geng2 ni serius, buatlah kajian yang betul mcm mamat yg berjaya buktikan armada cheng ho dah sampai ke afrika dan benua amerika, kalau setakat armchair research, baik baca quran lagi besar faedah :)

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    1. Tapi yg naik bahtera tu ada juga pengikut2 Nabi Nuh As. Jd xsemestinya kita ni dr keturunan Nabi Nuh As, kemungkinan dr keturunan pengikut Nabi Nuh As pn ada jugak..

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  16. Datuk SM Deris,

    Your blog here is the reason why Internet really brings more good than harm. I have learned more from your blog here than I've had in my previous 16 years of formal education. I am always fascinated with the subject of comparative religion, although, I think Muslims and Christians have given to much credit to the Jews for obvious reasons.

    Keep up the good work.

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    1. Many thanks my friend for the kind words. Glad to hear that this blog has benefited you. Alhamdulillah.

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  17. The prophecy said Servant of God will war in bringing judgement, to correct the wrongs. He will also liberate Arabia from worshiping molten images. Wilderness (desert), villages and cities will glorify God. This is what happen today. Whole of Arabia worshiping God daily.

    And we continue reading Isaiah 42:18 - 25; Children of Israel will still be deaf and blind as they neglect the message brought by the 'Servant of God'.
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    In Isaiah 42:1, this cannot be a coincidence. If we look at the writing of אתמך (Atmc) אחמד (Ahmad). Not to mentioned אתמך (Atmc) is a term used only once throughout. [Scribes copying error or indeed an intended error?] And the word before אתמך (Atmc), is עבדי (Abedi~My Servant). It is indeed indicating Ahmad Abedallah (Ahmad 'Servant of God').

    Children of Israel had been foretold by the coming of Ahmad.

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    1. Noted my friend. Your above comment appears to be the identity of the prophesied Prophet, whom the Christians say Jesus, Muslims say Muhammad, and Jews still waiting.

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  18. salam..maafkan saya sekadar ingin mencelah..saya memang tak pandai dalam bab bab ini..dan kurang berilmu..tapi sememangnya menarik tentang apa yg saudara2 saya ceritakan di sini.. saya cuma nak kepastian pasal pertubuhan freemason yg ada di malaysia ini..adakah sekdar teori semata mata atau kenyataan..saya tahu ramai mesti yg ketawakan saya tika dan saat membaca apa yg saya tulis ini..tapi loji freemason yg terbaru telah ada di Bukit jalil..berdekatan dengan gereja yg besar disana..sekiranya kita dari bukit jalil masuk ke kesas highway..nak menghala ke puchong atau shah alam ke..klu tak silap saya lepas tol kesas yg pertama dekat bukit jalil tu anda bole lihat sebelah kanan ataus bukit sebuah loji freemason seperti yg biasa di lihat di internet..saya tak taksub sgt daam hal ini suma perihatin kepada nasib bangsa dan agama sahaja...sekian

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  19. perungkaian menarik saudara SM Deris. orang yahudi sibuk membina ekonomi, orang melayu masih dicandukan dengan cerita-cerita terbang ke kayangan. kisah mat jenin adalah untuk diri kita sendiri juga.

    hai melayu yang tercandu, asyik sibuk pandang buruk bangsa lain, peraturan alam ini sama untuk semua bangsa - yang kaya akan bongkak dengan yang miskin. motor kapchai melayu rosak tepi jalan takkan ada pemandu melayu yang memandu bentley, mercedes, bmw atau porche tolong kamu.

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    1. SETUJU sgt... Sejarah ditulis oleh pemenang. Tu tak cita lagi empayar Langkasuka yg mengusai seluruh asia tenggara, Islam dah sampai sejak zaman nabi, penduduk tanah melayu sudah mengenal Tuhan yg satu sebelum kelahiran nabi saw. Mesti kengkorang anggap ia kisah dongeng. Nasihat sy, kalau tak percaya dan anggap ia karut tanpa fakta dan bukti, teruskan saja mempercayainya suatu kesah dongeng.

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  20. Interesting piece Saudara SM Deris!

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  21. Aslmkm; lu orang sibuk-sibuk asal usul bangsa, senang cerita asal kita dari syurga, balik kampung surga. Sebahagian transit neraka seketika, sebahagian tinggal terus selamanya.

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  22. Inna lilla hi wa inna ilaihi rojiun

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  23. melayu adalah blend dari semua bangsa itu cuma beriman dan bertaqwa adalah jawapan akhir. dan tidak lari dari medan perang ketika bersama almahdi. buat masa sekarang tuntut ilmu adalah lebih afdal kerana banyak firkah dan firkah sesat mendatang. wallahuaklam

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  24. Saya berpendapat jika teori bangsa melayu (yang kurang dikaji) dikatakan mempunyai pertalian darah dari keturunan bangsa dari Ibrahim yang merantau ke nusantara mempunyai impak yang positif dari segi penyatuan orang Islam untuk menentang Israel adalah tidak salah. Boleh juga menjadi alat untuk penyatuan Islam di kalangan orang Melayu untuk menentang Israel secara khususnya.

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  25. apa yg anda baca tu cuma bahagian 1 je.. ni link utk keseluruhan bahagian.. ada lebih 30 post dlm tu.. bacalah http://riwayatmelayu.blogspot.com/2010/08/alter-terahsia-bangsa-melayu-bhg-1.html

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  26. Salam saudara SM DERIS,
    Ramai yang bodoh mengaku tahu, ramai yang bangang mengaku pandai.
    Payah kalau nak suruh ikan kat laut tu terbang, burung pula disuruh berenang.

    Maaf kata,
    Kalau tak kenal Muhammad memang tak kenal 'Tuhan', kalau diri sendiri yang hari2 Makan, Minum, Berak, Kencing, Tido...pun tak kenal, lagi jauh lah kalau nak kenal bangsa sendiri.

    Sesungguhnya Jauhari yang mengenal Maknikam. Jika kebenaran yang jelas nyata didepan mata pun dinafikan, inikan pula yang dah berlalu ribuan tahun.
    Nyata sesat zahir dan batin..

    Memang mudah mencatat semula apa yang dah tercatat, tapi adakah akal boleh fikir apa yang dah tercatat tu?

    Kita perlu ingat cerita ada banyak cerita, ada cerita yang tercatat dan dah dijadikan fakta pun banyak, tapi kebanyakan yang dikatakan fakta itu adalah palsu semata.

    Pedoman dan landasan mesti teguh, musuh ramai, yang dengki pun ramai.
    Yang muslim kita boleh kenal tapi yang mukmin susah nak kenal, sebab muslim tu ramai mukmin tu sedikit je. Munafik lagi ramai...

    Cerita pasal Melayu ni memang ramai sakit hati, pada yang bukan Melayu lah atau yang tak mahu ngaku Melayu. bak kata...yahudi tu sentiasa nak kan bukti yang nyata. Tak sah kalau tak de bukti...

    Apa pun usaha saudara sangat baik, saya puji semangat tu. Saya peringatkan aje, sebab ramai yang mempersenda dan mencela.

    Wassalam.

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  27. Let's widen our horizon to where Malays live today and how they are called. Their prominent figures must be called datuk, datok, atuk, tuk, referring to "adath" (adat or ancient religion) chieftains. Malays can be traced from their own language, the Austronesian (or Proto Hebrew) languages centered in Sunda Java language. This language is Minangkabau origin where mother calls boys with "ang" or "waang" and turns to "awang" in Kutai (Borneo) and Brunei fromwhere "hang" originates. From a series of language research I personally did, undoubtedly Malay is a Proto Hebrew remain. They perhaps not descend from Abraham, but surely from Noah, the host of a Proto Hebrew speaking family.

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  28. until...I found some words that cognate with modern Hebrew which only exist in Minangkabau and Israel only. They are taragak (similarly precise with Hebrew 'ragach') meaning missing, longing, or 'lewa' (announce), kalempong (Hebrew kelipoth) ..etc and then I am confident that Malays are carrying Mediterranean blood with them. Otherwise, show me the words exist in other language you know. Adat it self only found in Melayu, Arabic and Jewish (adath) words. Jewish may be not, but Hebrew yes!

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  29. The Jews call their moms 'emak'. So do the Malays. They also call their dads 'abah'. Hello, the whole world are afraid of Israel, but not Malaysia or Indonesia. I used to wonder why, but now I know. They have the same blood. But a Muslim is not a Jew. Neither do the Jews think that a Malay or an Indonesian is one of them. At least the Jews who stay jewish. I heard that there are a number of Jews turning to Islam now.

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  30. u know what? it's important for us Malay to know our own great ancestors so that we'll know our history. Learning from the past mistakes will makes us better to understand our own selves so that we'll not to repeat it again the future. i'm not going to rejecting any theory about the Malay because the possibility are 50:50. if we don't open to accept the theory, then the other will. if we say, Malay are 1 of the lost tribe of Israel, that does'nt mean that we are one of the Jews. Here we must understand the concept of Israel in Islam. Israel are the descendant from Abraham PBUH and his wife Sara while tHE Jews itself are one of the Israel. Though there are many more tribe of Israel. The Muslim must not make any statement that should contradict to the Quran. But, here the twist, even Quran never mentioned about it, does'nt mean it don't exist right? maybe Allah deliberately hide it from human for a purpose. Now, Quran itself has implicit & explicit meaning that sometimes, we as Muslim don't understand, that's why we need the Hadith to fully understand the Quran. The reason why Allah make it on that way is because Allah want us to study the Quran. Not just read it. Back to the theory. we Muslim believe that Allah had gave human many scriptures for several time & there are only 4 that mentioned in the Quran. The theory about the the lost tribe went to the promised land was originally from the Book of Mormon that was written after the death of Rasulullah. So we can be really sure that the book are not the last words of god as Quran should be the one. There is no authentic evidence that the book are the translation of the ancient Egyptian as they claim. Maybe yes or maybe not. If the answer is yes, than it's more to prophecy made by human. and sometimes the chance for it to happened in the future are 50:50 as we know that ancient Egyptian were familiar of using a lot of wicked things in their religious tradition. What about if their claim are true? what about if we Malay are the descendant of the Israel? than it will put us in a very dangerous position. If the prophecy made by the Jews was right that we are one of their lost tribe then, we will become the number one enemy of the Zionis. As they claim that the lost tribe are the one who'll beat them in the future. somehow, the strongest & the cruelest always defeated at the end. Nothing to be strange about it. It's just the Karma. I hope there are further study to be made about this theory in the future. If these thing are proven to be right some day, it was to late to know. Why not try to understand it this early so that we can be cautious. Like i said, understanding our ancestor meant that to understand ourselves. We are here for a reason. There a reason behind the lost of MH370. There are reason in these chaos world, Malaysia are the least affected. There are reason why 99.9% Malay population are Muslim even their other nearby same-group race are multi-religion. There are reason why the Malay were still ruling Malaysia despite the betrayal & slander of the non-malays toward us. i'm not here to be racist. But that is the true from what i see. I just want to preserve my race from being violate by the others. No one can say that i was wrong. This is my opinion & i free to gave it. To those Malay who was being disrespect to their own race and try to dethroned the king, they will pay their regret for themselves later. The king are the protector, the king are 'payung negara' if this system are gone someday? who will protect us? The politician? i don't think so. Once those secular Malay regret it one day, it is to late. The king is no more to be seen. Just take lesson from the Sumatran lah.

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  31. Wasalam Djila19,
    Who will protect Muslims you ask?
    I believe Allah is The Best of Helper (3:150), Allah جل جلاله.(Ali Imran 3:173)

    (Al-Ankabut 29:41)
    I believe Allah will be THE Protector of those Mukmin with Taqwa. Those Mukmin in whose heart does not seek frail protection of men, in whose hearts does not exist even the slightest fear towards the feeble strength of weapons /armies of mere men.

    (Al-Anfal 8:62 & 64)
    Allah Almighty is Sufficient as my ONLY Protector, my Sustainer, from Him I seek help, from Whom I seek my daily bread for me and my family and those Mukmin who truly believes Him.. whatever their bloodline.

    Allah will ALWAYS be there for those whose hearts Only Glorify ALLAH and Fear ALLAH, following the path of Rasullullah sallalahualaihi wassalaam..

    He will be there for those that do not doubt Him and the completeness of His protection (Baqarah 2:255).
    If those mukmin are of malay blood, Alhamdullillah...
    If those mukmin are from chinese or indian ancestry Alhamdulillah,
    If those mukmin are of jewish blood, Alhamdulillah, MashaAllah.
    Allah do not elevate us based on our bloodlines, but based on the heart that's pumping it..

    Oh my Muslim Brothers and Sisters, Do not fear Man! for Man are weak..

    The entire nuclear arsenal and modern ordnance of disbelievers.. is minuscule compared to the thermonuclear energy generated by the Sun each second - the sun is 1,000,000,000 times more powerful !!
    And at this very moment, that sun is in fear of disobeying Allah, is submitting to His precise orders. That Sun and A BILLION other stars much larger and more powerful than the sun, are all under His COMPLETE control..

    We are but specks of dust, on a grain of sand that is our Planet Earth.. Do we doubt it is beyond Him to sustain and protect us?

    And the sad thing is, it seems we muslims, that prostrate to Allah 5 times daily, are the same ones that glorify and perpetuate fear-mongering about the "strength" of the enemies of Allah.. simultaneously eroding our own Faith and that of our fellow Muslim listening.

    Spread the opposite language of the media, of people chit-chatter: Allah IS more Powerful, Allah IS in Full Control, Allah WILL be the One to Help us, Allah Will be the Only One we depend and turn to in all our time of need. We may make some effort but trust Allah for the outcome.

    May Allah guide and save myself and all Muslims that is continuously living in Fear and Doubt (about Allah's help), whispered to us by our real enemy, syaitan laknatUllah.

    Wallahualam

    Lahawlawala QuwwataIlla Billah

    May Allah bless us all..

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  32. saya ada darah cina... dalam masa ada jugak darah arab... mustahil atau tidak saya ada kedua2 bangsa ini dalam diri saya.. x kan? adakah mustahil ada satu bangsa yang sama macam saya? x mustahil kan.. jadi x mustahil kalau bangsa melayu adalah kacukan dari keturunan keturah dengan keturunan nabi yaakub.. malah tiga empat gabungan pon x mustahil..

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  33. aik..dalam ni pon ada zionis kah? DNA melayu mmg ada kaitan dengan suku bangsa simetik (arab&yahudi).sedah x sedar,malaysia merupakan negara yang lantang mengkritik israel.sampai satu tahap israel tuduh hamas menjalani latihan ketenteraan di malaysia.Mata2 Zionis bayak di singapura,filipina mungkin ada jugak rakyat malaysia yang jadi barua zionis.bukan ke kita semua tahu bahawa nenek moyang manusia bermula dengan Nabi Adam dan Hawa?jika betul pon kita dari keturunan keturah.apa masalahnya???patut la zionis target malaysia sekarang.kan?

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  34. try kaji the continent of mu..tanah asal melayu sebelum sebahagiannya tenggelam..melayu adalah aristokrat di mu.tapi mu adalah ras india.orang india yang bertamaddun tinggi datang jauh dari utara.aiii..peninglah..i nak makan jap.huhu.

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  35. Sejarah sebenar ada tersimpan di lubuk rahsia, kalau dibuka semua dianggap mereka kesah dongeng. Hakikatnya, yg fakta itu dongeng auta.

    Bkn isu ni, tapi lebih luas lagi. Kbye

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    1. khurasan @ pendekar
      habsyi @ makmum
      melayu @ ulama'
      arab @ ameer

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  36. di atas bkn dr anonymous .. ni yg tulis jin melayu usul ..

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  37. Penulis artikel ini hanya ingin menunjuk2 ilmu sejarah beliau yang tak seberapa tentang sejarah melayu. Jika SM DERIS ingin mendapatkan pencerahan sepatutnya beliau pergi ke kesaluran yang betul. Buat kajian anda sendiri dan terbitkan, itu baru betul.

    Ini tidak, beliau membuat kesimpulan dan mempertikai kajian sejarawan yang lain. Malah lebih teruk melontarkan persoalan2 yang beliau tidak tahu dalam artikel ini dan mengharapkan siapa untuk jawab? Sudah tentu orang2 yang balas tidak tahu menahu tentang sejarah ini jika dia bergantung pada buku teks sejarah tingkatan 5.

    ini menunjukkan yang penulis artikel ini bukan lah sejarawan yang layak untuk membincangkan hal ini.

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    1. Pulok. Bila masa saya tulis tentang sejarah Melayu Sheikh? Saya cuma tanya macammana orang Melayu boleh datang dari lost tribes of Israel apabila induk Melayu adalah Keturah, bukan Sarah. Kan ke Israel tu nama gelaran Nabi Yaakob, anak kepada Nabi Ishak, cucu kepada Nabi Ibrahim sebelah Sarah. Keturah adalah induk kepada Nabi shuaib, bukan Nabi Yaakob/Israel. Apa kata tuan betulkan fakta ini kalau saya silap.

      Atau sebenarnya tuan komen komen dari pembaca blog saya, yang tak ada kena mengena dengan tulisan asal saya.

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    2. Tak berapa faham english tu kot.. lol..

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  38. Nobody on earth travelling West-East via the sea will ever miss the Peninsula. If its true Malay DNA contains 27% variant of the Israelite & Arab, nobody should ever wonder how.
    And those so called Jewish Zionist people in present Israel may not have that variant or a just a little of it. Is of no surprise too.
    This world is one mysterious place anyway.

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  39. Salam.

    Its interesting to read someone who are writing about this theory without trying to uplift any kind of Malay supremacy. Actually I was one of the mistisfiles reader back in 2009. Like you said, they had some interesting theories there. However I stopped in 2011, after I came the same conclusion you did.

    I was browsing through some documentaries on youtube, giving some ideas of finding about the pioneer race(s) on earth; children of Adam. Which at the end, here I am again, stumbled on searching on the "asal usul Melayu" which has remained a mystery.

    I am myself a result of at least 3 races. & i wont deny malays are born from a series of mix races. But I dont think we should be too extreme (I'm saying you're extreme) on claiming being one of the Jews or the descendants of Abraham. Why? Let me share my own theories.

    In the Quran, there are 25 known prophets that we must "beriman" to. While in other biblical books, there are some others noted. And we all aware of the fact that we actually have A LOT of prophets in the history of the world, which the real numbers remains in Allah swt's knowledge.

    Besides, the world itself has been evolving for soo long that as a non-historic background, I wasnt sure myself how old have us humans lived here. Within these period of time, based on al Quran there are at least 12 races destroyed by Allah, which one of em is Madyan as stated by you.

    Who knows, maybe we were descended from these races, because a destroyed race didnt mean everyone in the race were destroyed, wallahualam. Maybe these races has assimilated with other races, creating new races. Or maybe not.

    If us malays are too desperate on having a supremacy complex, how bout this. Maybe there is once a great civilization. A really great one. But their homes have been destroyed for a reason only Allah knows.These people, who survived, migrated. Keep on migrating until they find a new homeland, and they live quietly. Due to the destroyed homeland and continuous migration, maybe there was no prove of this great civilization. & maybe the reason their homeland were destroyed is because these ppl are the good ones, those who shall be protected, and will be the real army of Islam. Now, thats a conspiracy theory.

    It is not a secret that beneath the oceans, the lands, buried some ancient civilizations, told or not in the biblical books. In fact, there were theories about some of these civilizations are even more technological advanced than we are right now. We just dont know. We are humans, and secrets are in the knowledge of Allah.

    What i am saying is, it is great we are trying to find our roots. It shows that we malays are finally aware that we need 'something' to wake us all and to find what is our destiny as khalifah of the Earth. Because guess what, we survived till nearly(wallahualam) "akhir zaman", there must be a reason for that. We did not just 'appear', we survived. The best of it is, as a Muslim (alhamdulillah, insyaAllah).

    So, rather than tracking something impossible and improbable to human knowledge, why not we used the chances given by Allah, and aim to be 'that race who united and fought for Islam against Dajjal & Israelite'. In that case, i dont despise against those saying Bani Tamim are the Malays. Who knows? It could be. Wallahualam.

    But before claiming ourselves as the soldier of Allah, how bout we start with fulfilling the 5 times prayers and filling the mosque during Subuh. Because by the look of it, the daring-ness of malays openly supporting Palestines against Israelite, we do have the credibility. Maybe the jews are really terrified of us, long before we risen with our boldness. Maybe the outsiders saw something in us, that we have yet to see. Maybe there are something about us that has been hidden for centuries, and they are trying to keep us snoozing, preoccupied.

    But one thing I am sure, it is time.

    WALLAHUALAM.
    Salam.

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    1. Sorry, a mistake there. "I'm NOT saying you are extreme". You are one of the relevant blogger on this topic out there.

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  40. See our feature, than we can easily trace our forefather.to me, if Mahathir is decended from Indian contenant is probably true because of his features. And also thro it twist and turn in his argument.

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    1. sory ,,, tun mahathir he is no a indian or tamil or malianam or hindus go for your hestry .

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  41. What do you think about geneticist Stephen Oppenheimer's "Eden in the East" theory that claims the Malay people came from the flooded Sundaland and went on to Sumeria?

    http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/books/eden_in_the_east.php

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  42. secara jujurnya melayu datang dari percampuran pelbagai bangsa yang datang dari pelbagai negeri dan negara... tentang salasilah ibrahim+keturah dan nabi yusuf.. penulis ingin beritahu ada dua kelompok melayu..

    pertama: melayu yang datang terus daripada ibrahim&keturah

    kedua: melayu yang juga datang terus dari ibrahim&keturah, tetapi setelah berabad lamanya... bani israel dari zuriat nabi yusuf muncul dan berkahwin dengan melayu..dari erti kata lain melayu yang ini juga datang daripada nabi ibrahim tetapi mempunyai pertalian lebih dekat dengan nabi yusuf...

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    1. harap dapak kira hubugi saya 0184667769 saya amat faham asal basah malayu dan yahudi atau jewdais amat perlu kerjasame email , ssupar11@yahoo.com

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  43. I think the missing tribe is referred to Gog Magog not malay.

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  44. Aritu, ada org cakap pasal rupa melayu,aku jawabla n yg aku dgr cite dari org gak,pasal rupa kita ni ikut suhu n iklim,n aku dgr ni psl ni dari org dudulu,gi tempat lain jadi lain,n bgitau ape yg berubah.ad gak psl yahudi sikit,terus kene padam msj tu,then siap kene spy dgn heck agi,papepun islam kt malaysia kena kuat.hati hatilah yer

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  46. Tak salah mencari asal-usul bangsa Melayu supaya kita lebih mengenali diri kita sendiri...

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  47. Malay tu dari keturunan Raja2 Persia (Khosrow), Roman Emperor, India (Chandragupta), china dah Lupa, Israel (Mar Uqba) dll

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  48. simple...buku sejarah kita...sejarah kegemilangan tanah melayu..bermula dr melaka? so sebelum melaka sini hutan belantara sahaja? kalau tiada penghuni kenapa thailand atau burma tak masuk je kt tanah melayu ni? tanah ni pon subur ape..byk jugak hasil bumi...persoalan nya kenapa dia orang semua tak ke sini? sbb sini dh ade penjaga nya dah..bila penjaga tu bkn lah biasa2...nk lawan bangrajan dari sana...gerbang tanah melayu ni sahaja dh dikawal oleh kerajaan kedahtua dahulu...kalau tk kental..habis la sini penuh dgn org mata sepet...kita ni negara dijajah...smpai sekarang dijajah...nk terbitkan buku sejarah kita sendiri pon kena minta kelulusan dr british...apa masaalah nya..kenapa mereka takut sangat kalau bangsa kita kenal dan tahu asal usul kita? sbb kekuatan bgsa tu akan maksimum bila kita kenal diri..kenal bangsa..kenal sejarah...tapi mereka takut...kenapa? kalau lah yg dikatakan kita ni melayu lemah xpernah menjajah negara org...habis kenapa mereka sembunyikan dan putar belit sejarah kita...mereka berjaya serang kita pon sbb org kita jgk yg bersubahat..bila dtg 2 3 org melayu mencari ibu...korang ckp mcm2..bodoh la apa la..berangan la...habis yg korang hanya tau mkn disuap sahaja..kalau mcm ni nasib anak cucu kita juga lah akn tetap lupa diri dan menjadi bangsa pengguna sahaja..bangsa lain mencipta..kita guna..xsedar diri lg? sudah lah...mmg nasib bangsa begini..nk telan? telanlah..

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  49. simple...buku sejarah kita...sejarah kegemilangan tanah melayu..bermula dr melaka? so sebelum melaka sini hutan belantara sahaja? kalau tiada penghuni kenapa thailand atau burma tak masuk je kt tanah melayu ni? tanah ni pon subur ape..byk jugak hasil bumi...persoalan nya kenapa dia orang semua tak ke sini? sbb sini dh ade penjaga nya dah..bila penjaga tu bkn lah biasa2...nk lawan bangrajan dari sana...gerbang tanah melayu ni sahaja dh dikawal oleh kerajaan kedahtua dahulu...kalau tk kental..habis la sini penuh dgn org mata sepet...kita ni negara dijajah...smpai sekarang dijajah...nk terbitkan buku sejarah kita sendiri pon kena minta kelulusan dr british...apa masaalah nya..kenapa mereka takut sangat kalau bangsa kita kenal dan tahu asal usul kita? sbb kekuatan bgsa tu akan maksimum bila kita kenal diri..kenal bangsa..kenal sejarah...tapi mereka takut...kenapa? kalau lah yg dikatakan kita ni melayu lemah xpernah menjajah negara org...habis kenapa mereka sembunyikan dan putar belit sejarah kita...mereka berjaya serang kita pon sbb org kita jgk yg bersubahat..bila dtg 2 3 org melayu mencari ibu...korang ckp mcm2..bodoh la apa la..berangan la...habis yg korang hanya tau mkn disuap sahaja..kalau mcm ni nasib anak cucu kita juga lah akn tetap lupa diri dan menjadi bangsa pengguna sahaja..bangsa lain mencipta..kita guna..xsedar diri lg? sudah lah...mmg nasib bangsa begini..nk telan? telanlah..

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  50. Melayu perlu tau beza bani izraeel vs yahudi.
    Perlu tau cerita kethurah tu diambil dari sumber ahli kitab yahudi.
    Perlu tau teori Melayu ni berketu runan yahudi ni Baru muncul tak sampai sedekad pon.
    Perlu tau cerita tok moyang Melayu tak pernah sebut pon pasal kaitan berketurunan yahudi. Yg mula teori ni adalah mereka yg suka cari info via Google. Yg berteori ni Tidak pernah sebut mereka memetik dari buku lama mana sebagai sumber info mereka. Mereka ni hanya mereka cerita fiksyen jer...

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  51. Melayu perlu tau beza bani izraeel vs yahudi.
    Perlu tau cerita kethurah tu diambil dari sumber ahli kitab yahudi.
    Perlu tau teori Melayu ni berketu runan yahudi ni Baru muncul tak sampai sedekad pon.
    Perlu tau cerita tok moyang Melayu tak pernah sebut pon pasal kaitan berketurunan yahudi. Yg mula teori ni adalah mereka yg suka cari info via Google. Yg berteori ni Tidak pernah sebut mereka memetik dari buku lama mana sebagai sumber info mereka. Mereka ni hanya mereka cerita fiksyen jer...

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  52. Aq tengok Melayu ni nak jadi dua2 dibawah:
    1. Bani tamim
    2. Lost tribe of israel.

    Kena ingat!!! Dua2 diatas tu bersusur galur lain keturunan yg berbeza geolocation dan berbeza masa ribuan tahun lamanya.

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  53. Saya juga macam Encik SM.Deris, seorang yang suka membaca sejarah terutamanya sejarah-sejarah lama dari zaman Mesir kuno, Mesopotamia, Phoenicia, Hittie, Mitanni, Greek, Rome, India, Cina dan sebagainya.

    Semasa saya sedang baca berkenaan Nabi Ibrahim a.s mengikut penceritaan dari Old Testament, saya pun terkejut yang kitab itu mengatakan bahawa Nabi Ibrahim a.s mempunyai isteri ke-3. Sedangkan dalam Al-Quran pun tak pernah menceritakan pasal isteri ke-3 bernama Keturah ini. Saya cuba mencari jawapan, siapakah Keturah ini, dan hanya hampa kerana banyak menulis mengenai Keturah ini adalah orang Melayu dengan teori-teori mereka bahawa kita adalah keturunan Keturah dan Melayu adalah keturunan yang hilang dari Bani Israel.

    Kalau mereka ini mengakui Keturah (seorang watak yang hanya ada di dalam Bible sahaja) ini wujud, maka, Nabi Isa a.s pun bolehlah mereka anggap sebagai Tuhan kerana Bible juga berkata sedemikian. Bagi saya, apa yang Encik SM Deris bahaskan ini adalah betul. Dari segi geografi dan time-line seperti berkenaan dengan Kaum Median. Saya dapati bahawa Kaum Median yang dikatakan oleh pembuat teori karut marut ini adalah lebih ke bahagian Israel/Palestine, sedangkah Median yang betul-betul wujud sebagai sebuah Kerajaan adalah dari kawasan Iran sekarang. Daripada Elam, kepada Median dan kepada Achaemenid Empire (Persian). Tidak pernah saya baca mana-mana buku sejarah yang mengatakan Median ni berada berdekatan Palestin/Israel.

    Dan berkenaan dengan perbahasan mengenai "tiada bangsa Melayu" ini. Saya sedikit 'amused' lah kerana kalau mereka katakan Melayu ni tidak wujud sebab kita ini merupakan daripada bangsa Cina yang berpindah ke Asia Tenggara. Maka, Bangsa Korea, Jepun dan Mongolia pun sepatutnya dipanggil Cina kerana mereka dari keturunan yang sama. Begitu juga dengan bansa Turk kerana mengikut sejarah mereka memang datang daripada Timur dan bertapak di sekitar Eropah dan Turkey. Begitu juga bangsa Arab dan Yahudi kerana mengikut sejarah mereka adalah keturuan Nabi Ibrahim a.s yang merupakan orang Babylon, Iraq. Tetapi kenapa mereka menggelar diri mereka sebagai Korea, Jepun, Mongolia, Turkey, Arab dan Israel dan bukannya Cina atau Iraq? Bagi saya persoalan ini senang sahaja, setiap bangsa baru ini wujud kerana mereka mula jauhkan diri daripada kawasan, adat, agama dan bahasa asal mereka dan mereka mencipta yang baru untuk kesesuaian mereka.

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    1. Al Quran men"benarkan" cerita2 kitab lama. By not mentioning 3rdwife of Abraham. Maka benarlah Keturah tidak wujud dalam sejarah nabi2.

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  54. Salam, for those interested in migrations, please join the genographic project by Nat Geographic. I did and found that all of us are descended from the Middle East and the only difference is the route our ancestors took to get to the Malay Peninsula AND the timing of the migrations. Please join so that we can better define the sub-clades of Malays.

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  55. Salam, for those interested in migrations, please join the genographic project by Nat Geographic. I did and found that all of us are descended from the Middle East and the only difference is the route our ancestors took to get to the Malay Peninsula AND the timing of the migrations. Please join so that we can better define the sub-clades of Malays.

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  56. Interesting thoughts...

    SM Deris, thank you for your insights and graceful comments.

    As Malays, we should uphold the first word given by Gabriel to Prophet Muhammad. And that word is IKRAK..

    Make English your second language and you shall be enlightened..

    Ma assalamah

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  57. Interesting to read.. yes I concure. Like wise I end up having more question than answers. Since history are often told by those who won. I guess I'll never know.

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